Here's a fascinating interview with neuroscientist Lisa Feldman Barrett. She argues that many of the key beliefs we have about emotions are wrong: for example, itâs not true that we all feel the same things; that anyone can âreadâ other peopleâs faces; and itâs not true that emotions are things that happen to us. This is especially relevant to me because Robin Beauvais, the protagonist of dEATH in dAVOS and of the book I'm working on now, mURDER in mACAU, has such a hard time reading faces that she creates an Encyclopedia of Facial Expressions for herself to help her untangle what the people around her are thinking. On the surface, you might think that Robin is somewhere on the spectrum. You might think that . . . but you'd be wrong. There are other things at work within the psyche of Robin Beauvais, things that I only just begin to touch on in mURDER in mACAU. Interested in learning more? Check out this article from The Verge.
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I am known for being hard to read, to the point that friends complain that they can never tell what Iâm thinking by looking at my face. But, says neuroscientist Lisa Feldman Barrett, itâs possible that they might remain confused even if my face were more expressive.
Barrett, a neuroscientist at Northeastern University, is the author of How Emotions Are Made. She argues that many of the key beliefs we have about emotions are wrong. Itâs not true that we all feel the same things, that anyone can âreadâ other peopleâs faces, and itâs not true that emotions are things that happen to us.
The Verge spoke to Barrett about her new view of emotion, what this means for emotion-prediction startups, and whether we can feel an emotion if we donât have the word for it.
This interview has been lightly edited for clarity.
You argue that emotions are constructed by our brains. How does that differ from what we knew before?
The classical view assumes that emotions happen to you. Something happens, neurons get triggered, and you make these stereotypical expressions you canât control. It says that people scowl when theyâre angry and pout when theyâre sad, that everyone around the world not only makes the same expressions, but that youâre born with the capacity to recognize them automatically.
In my view, a face doesnât speak for itself when it comes to emotion, ever. Iâm not saying that when your brain constructs a strong feeling that there are no physical cues to the strength of your feeling. People do smile when theyâre happy or scowl when theyâre sad. What Iâm saying is that thereâs not a single obligatory expression. And emotions arenât some objective thing, theyâre learned and something that our brains construct.
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You write about studies where you show someone a face and ask them to identify the emotions, and people consistently get it wrong, like confusing fear with anxiety. But fear and anxiety seem pretty similar to me. Do people also confuse emotions that are really far apart, like happiness and guilt?
Itâs interesting that you say that guilt and happiness are far apart. I often show people a picture of the top half of my daughterâs face and people say she looks sad or guilty or deflated, and then I show the whole image and and sheâs actually in a full-blown episode of pleasure because sheâs at a chocolate museum.
If you were to pit a face against anything else, it will always lose. If you show a face on its own, versus if you pair it with a voice or a body posture or a scenario, the face is very ambiguous in its meaning. There are studies where they actually took peopleâs whole faces but removed the bodies. People were expressing negativity or positivity, and people mistake all the time without the context. When you take a super positive face and stick it in a negative situation, people experience the face as more negative. They donât just interpret the face as negative, they actually change how they look at the face when you use eye-tracking software.
The expressions that weâve been told are the correct ones are just stereotypes and people express in many different ways.
What about things like resting bitch face? Thatâs a topic you hear about a lot âwhere people say that they can âtellâ someone is a bitch, but women protest that their face is âjust that like.â
Weâve done research on this and resting bitch face is a neutral face. When you look at it structurally, thereâs nothing negative in the face. People are using the context or their knowledge about that person to see more negativity in the face.
Iâm curious what all this means for affective computing, or the startups that try to analyze your facial expression to figure out how youâre feeling. Does this mean their research is futile?
As they are currently pursuing it, most companies are going to fail. If people use the classical view to guide the development of their technology â if youâre trying to build software or technology to identify scowls or frowns and pouts and so on and assume that means anger, good luck.
But if affective computing and other technology in this area were adjusted slightly in their goals, they hold the potential to revolutionize the science of emotion. We need to be able to track peopleâs movements accurately, and it would be so helpful to measure their movements and as much of the external and internal context as possible.
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So we know that emotions donât have a universal look. Can you explain more about your argument that emotions are constructed? My understanding is that your claim is like this: you have a basic feeling â like âpleasantâ or âunpleasantââ and bodily sensations, which are sometimes triggered by the environment. Then we interpret those feelings and physical sensations as certain emotions, like rage or guilt. How does this work?
All brains evolved for the purposes of regulating the body. Any brain has to make decisions about what to invest its resources in: what am I going to spend, and what kind of reward am I going to get? Your brain is always regulating and itâs always predicting what the sensations from your body are to try to figure out how much energy to expend.
When those sensations are very intense, we typically use emotion concepts to make sense of those sensory inputs. We construct emotions.
Letâs back up a bit. What are emotion concepts?
Itâs just what you know about emotion â not necessarily what you can describe but what your brain knows to do and the feelings that come from that knowledge. When youâre driving, your brain knows how to do a bunch of things automatically, but you donât need to articulate it or even be aware of it as youâre doing it to successfully drive.
When you known an emotion concept, you can feel that emotion. In our culture we have âsadness,â in Tahitian culture they donât have that. Instead they have a word whose closest translation would be âthe kind of fatigue you feel when you have the flu.â Itâs not the equivalent of sadness, thatâs what they feel in situations where we would feel sad.
Where do we learn those concepts?
At the earliest stage, we are taught these concepts by our parents.
You donât have to teach children to have feelings. Babies can feel distress, they can feel pleasure and they do, they can certainly be aroused or calm. But emotion concepts â like sadness when something bad happens â are taught to children, not always explicitly. And that doesnât stop in childhood either. Your brain has the capacity to combine past experience in novel ways to create new representations, experience something new that youâve never seen or heard or felt before.
Iâm fascinated by the link between language and emotion. Are you saying that if we donât have a word for an emotion, we canât feel it?
Hereâs an example: you probably had experienced schadenfreude without knowing the word, but your brain would have to work really hard to construct those concepts and make those emotions. You would take a long time to describe it.
But if you know the word, if you hear the word often, then it becomes much more automatic, just like driving a car. It gets triggered more easily and you can feel it more easily. And in fact thatâs how schadenfreude feels to most Americans because they have a word theyâve used a lot. It can be conjured up very quickly.
Does understanding that emotions are constructed help us control them?
Itâs never going to be the case that itâs effortless and never the case that you can snap your fingers and just change how you feel.
But learning new emotions words is good because you can learn to feel more subtle emotions, and that makes you better at regulating your emotions. For example, you can learn to distinguish between distress and discomfort. This is partly why mindfulness meditation is so useful to people who have chronic pain â it lets you separate out the physical discomfort from the distress.
I think understanding how emotions are constructed widens the horizon of control. You realize that if your brain is using your past to construct your present, you can invest energy in the present to cultivate new experiences that then become the seeds for your future. You can cultivate or curate experiences in the now and then they become, if you practice them, they become automated enough that your brain will automatically construct them in the future.
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